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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:05 pm    Post subject: Greenhouse Reply with quote

Had anyone heard about Greenhouse before? Apparently the Penny Arcade guys are developing their own content delivery system:
Gabe wrote:
I'd like to introduce you all to Greenhouse. We developed Greenhouse along with Hothead originally because we needed a way to deliver our game to you guys. what we needed was a platform agnostic digital distibution portal. Once it was done we realised that it could actually be super useful to other independent developers. At first Greenhouse will be the place to get our game but eventually we'd like to use it as a way of promoting great independent games that might otherwise slide under the radar. Like PAX and Child's Play and all the other stuff we do we're starting out simple. We've got big ideas though and I'm excited about building Greenhouse into something really special.

Sounds interesting, although I wonder whether they can offer developers a much better deal than Valve and others do already. Should we expect to see $TOP_SECRET_MOONPOD_PROJECT$ in this space?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's interesting I'll email them and get our name in.

Some people might find it odd that a company would try and take on Steam at its own game, but I don't. Let me explain...

Whether they can offer a better deal than valve or not isn't even an issue for us (and others) as Valve refused to carry either of our games on Steam with no explanation as to why Sad I don't actually know what the internal green lighting system is at Valve (again they wouldn't say), but I suspect the peons just show the game to middle/upper management types and you only get in if a) they've heard of the game b) they happen to like it that day. There's a story that the head honcho himself rejected Defcon and then one of his children saw the game on his desk, recognised it and told him to accept it - which he then did thank goodness!

A company's survival shouldn't be at the whim of another (XBLA anyone?), especially one that has undefined submission processes. Presumably this is why people are still considering starting alternate download portals.

I want someone to create a portal that works like this:

1. people can submit any game and it goes into the "beta zone", users can rate it and once it meets a minimum target of interest it's accepted. Nice and open submission process.

2. once accepted the developers have to make it work with the sites downloader and payment system (that would work like steam i.e. one click buy, reliable download, auto update). Maybe a site wide achievement system.

3. if the game enters the release area of the site then the rating systems continues. Games that generate a lot of interest are shown more prominently. Everything cycles through the front page (even poor rated or new games), but the popular games stay there longer.

4. paid adverts can be used to guarantee some coverage, but they show at the side, they never totally replace the user rated games. Authors can also pay to run competitions to help boost their game's visibility if they want.

5. some effort is put into searching and categorising games to help people find what they are after i.e. amazon style favourites lists and "you might also like" and forum and user reviews.

6. the site takes casual, mainstream and indie games.

7. someone spends $500k actually marketing it, getting it off the ground and running some high profile competitions to engage people, etc.

8. authors can spend on discounts i.e. buy my mainstream $50 game and get a $5 credit. Credits can knock money off future purchases of any other game. It's another way of advertising i.e. I give the site $2500 and then when my game launches it carries 500 $5 credits for the first 500 customers. Which games have credits available goes out in a weekly newsletter.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poo Bear wrote:
Valve refused to carry either of our games on Steam with no explanation as to why Sad

That's a shame Sad You've got proven sales and excellent reviews! Was that before Steamworks came along? I read that as trying to get more people using their technology - worth giving it another go?

Poo Bear wrote:
1. people can submit any game and it goes into the "beta zone", users can rate it and once it meets a minimum target of interest it's accepted. Nice and open submission process.

That might turn into who-can-drive-most-people-there-from-their-forum though. (An old colleague's band was up for X-fm's indie band of the week - the voting page actually said something like "Here's the four bands for you to listen to. But you're just going to vote for your mate's band anyway, right?")
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steamworks just gives you access to the tools, you aren't part of the Valve catalogue and they don't do anything to help push your game. The catalogue is viewed by 15million users so that's the really important bit of Steam. The main aim of Steamworks is just to get people to install Steam so Valve can then sell them other games.

There may be some side benefits i.e. people who happen to already have Steam installed might be tempted, because a download is easy for them. People who don't have Steam are going to be a bit upset when they realise installing a 20MB game requires a 250MB launcher download plus however long it takes to patch (download new ads) plus having adverts blasted at them every time the game quits.

...

As for people coercing friends and supporters into inflating their ratings, that would be a problem at the start when the site was small certainly. The bigger it gets the less impact any one group can have. Although, maybe it isn't really a problem, if someone has a 1000 people who love a game so much they want to sign up and rate it then it must have something? Plus, if a game can be continually rated and that affects how much front page time it gets then that should help.
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