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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:53 pm    Post subject: Not sure if anyone thought this up already Reply with quote

i had an idea for this game for a pretty long time

i was wondering in starscape2 if you could put in computer controlled allies after all you have a mothership there must be more fighter members and ships than just you maybe add in small squads with you directly controlling one and have the other squads takeing simple commands like defend, attack, and mine and (maybe even more specific defend mothership, defend me defend squadron 1, ect....) tell me what you think i just had to get it out sometime
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has been talked about.

Having other fighters under AI control implies you don't want to fight for yourself, which seems a bit odd, isn't fighting one of the best bits?

Using AI mining ships makes a bit more sense as you'll need to defend them giving you even more opportunities to fight. Implementing it could be tricky though, do they stay together or spread out, what happens if you move off, do they stay near you or the Aegis, can you warp out and leave them? Wont they ge tin your way? If they get killed or cause you to get killed and you can't really stop it then it would be very frustrating.

My current favourite is a "mining pod", you drop it in a node and leave it behind. It takes absolutely ages but it slowly drains the node of resources and then you can come back and pick it up. There are still problems, what happens if you drop off quite a few and then cannot possible defend them all. What if they are very expensive and then you lose them all. What if someone finishes zone1 and then fills it with mining pods so he can bank up 1000's, he'll be able to research and build far more than he really ought to.

Tricky.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What if someone finishes zone1 and then fills it with mining pods so he can bank up 1000's, he'll be able to research and build far more than he really ought to


The way I figure it under such a system, we probably need to look at reasons for building up to help the idea along. Events or entities or situations that syphon off these riches we think the player would always benefit from.

1) Make the nodes contestable - friend, foe, or player controllable at any time. (maybe there could be other conditions to it too, who knows).

2) With relation to the first, come up with direct or indirect ways they can be defended or attacked. In Starscape, traveling from zone to zone required 1, 2 or even 3 entry points depending on the zone. These would be logical places for battles to occur over and over again until you could do something about it. In some instances it might be hard to make it to every battle. On the other hand, various layers of defense capabilities could hold over the enemy long enough to do it yourself.

3) Another idea could be colonization that helps syphon resources from the player to the colonization effort. With relation to this, maybe the idea of a "return to grid space" in itself means coming up with a reliable way to move back and forth safely from our dimension to theirs without the kind of accident that happened before. This also means setting up a reliable supply chain to any war or diplomatic effort.

Maybe too, depending on the push and pull dynamic in territory control could allow for open endedness, in that you could explore both dimensions where before you could do only the one. Depending on the ebb and flow of enemy territory being taken and lost, these kinds of actions also consume a lot of resources.

4) Diplomacy is another area that could do the same. Sometimes it takes resources, money or trade goods to placate a potential ally or even to get an enemy to put a hold on their aggression for a time or to allow new terrtories to be opened up for exploration by the player. This is fertile ground for loyalty switcharoos too.

5) With relation to #3, another area that can eat resources you collect could be the (a presumption) AI uncontrollable Earth space force (who again presumably initiated the return to grid space in the first place). An idea to explore both dimensions this time can allow you to help build up your home forces in different ways. If the idea is that sometimes, whether from your home forces or from allies in grid territory you may see occasional unit AI help in battle, you can extend the concept to those things you barter for or research to help in those cases.

Its just a fun thought I had that you could influence how your help can be outfitted technologically as well, and through that influencing their effectiveness in some way even if you can't control what they do necessarily. I've been thinking of this as an extension of #2 - the layered defense thing letting you take part in more conflicts.

So, the question for me isn't about how rich can we make the player, so much as what can be done with said riches to hopefully translate into whatever adventures the game can throw at them and in the process distribute that wealth a bit.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poo Bear wrote:
Using AI mining ships makes a bit more sense as you'll need to defend them giving you even more opportunities to fight. Implementing it could be tricky though, do they stay together or spread out, what happens if you move off, do they stay near you or the Aegis, can you warp out and leave them? Wont they ge tin your way? If they get killed or cause you to get killed and you can't really stop it then it would be very frustrating.


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Not to mention what happens when the worms come out! Or if you leave a pod in a place with explosive lava rocks or ice crystals... *BOOM*
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poo Bear wrote:

My current favourite is a "mining pod", you drop it in a node and leave it behind. It takes absolutely ages but it slowly drains the node of resources and then you can come back and pick it up. There are still problems, what happens if you drop off quite a few and then cannot possible defend them all. What if they are very expensive and then you lose them all. What if someone finishes zone1 and then fills it with mining pods so he can bank up 1000's, he'll be able to research and build far more than he really ought to.

Tricky.


Um... surely if you deploy more than you can defend, then you pay the price for that...? I don't really see that as a problem.

I think that after the indigenous life forms come out to play, they ought to start destroying the pods. So once you complete a zone you only have time to collect a full pod or two and there's no point in deploying any more in that zone.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have thought that you could say something like "O NOES THE EXPLOSION FORM THE BOSS HAS NUKED ALL RESOURCES IN THE ZONE TIME TO MOVE ON" (Or something of the sort Wink ) And the danger nodes could suddenly swarm with worms when you enter, making it almost impossible to gether resources there.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poo Bear wrote:
It has been talked about.

Having other fighters under AI control implies you don't want to fight for yourself, which seems a bit odd, isn't fighting one of the best bits?

Using AI mining ships makes a bit more sense as you'll need to defend them giving you even more opportunities to fight. Implementing it could be tricky though, do they stay together or spread out, what happens if you move off, do they stay near you or the Aegis, can you warp out and leave them? Wont they ge tin your way? If they get killed or cause you to get killed and you can't really stop it then it would be very frustrating.

My current favourite is a "mining pod", you drop it in a node and leave it behind. It takes absolutely ages but it slowly drains the node of resources and then you can come back and pick it up. There are still problems, what happens if you drop off quite a few and then cannot possible defend them all. What if they are very expensive and then you lose them all. What if someone finishes zone1 and then fills it with mining pods so he can bank up 1000's, he'll be able to research and build far more than he really ought to.

Tricky.


To be honest, I LOVE equipping the Aegis with a drill and 3 scoops and "Calling" it over to clear a pocket of asteroids and minerals. The idea of making your key presses more efficient, all actions you wish to process (Mining, killing) faster/easier, is a great rush. And I still enjoy action, as I have to command whatever it is I'm using to achieve this. I don't have to be the one to pull the trigger to enjoy watching them die Wink.
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