Deceleration/Retrothruster Speed Difference

[Havoc]

While testing out the engine a bit, I came to a strange result. With the Instant Action craft (perhaps custom crafts and engine loads can make this change), it was actually faster to cut the engine than to engage the backwards thrust when it came to stopping distance.

Picking a stable asteroid as a marker, I found that if I cut the engine at a certain point, I actually stopped quicker than when I switched to the backwards thrust to slow myself down. Using the latter, it actually took me longer to come to a stop. Natural deceleration was more efficient than the engine itself.

Is this a bug, a quirk that happens when the engine power/load falls under a certain value, or intended?

[Poo Bear]

The ship used in instant action cannot be recreated within game, its a special one off, over the top job. Hence the unusual handling you found, beta testers seemed to think it was a nice powerful ship yet still easy to handle.

As you know, putting ships together in game takes a bit of thought, ships can be skittish or sluggish if not ballanced right. Instant action mode ignores all that.

[Havoc]

Hm. After some tinkering in the game proper, I find the problem is still the same even with a regularly generated ship.

With the basic prowler you build at the end of the tutorial, I tried this little test:

1) Set the Aegis up about a screen away from the edge of a node.
2) Backtrack the prowler to the edge of the node, facing the Aegis but aimed so it'll pass it by.
3) Full speed ahead.
4) When level with the Aegis's corner thruster:
A) Let go of the accelerator.
OR
B) Engage reverse thrusters.

The A test has the prowler drift to a stop by itself near the middle of the Aegis; its stopping distance between full speed and full stop is therefore 0.5 Aegis Lengths (for lack of a better measurement tool).

The B test, however, has the prowler finally stop and begin going into reverse well past the other side of the Aegis; its stopping distance between full speed and full stop is approximately 1.5 Aegis Lengths.

This means that with the test ship (and the Instant Action ship as well), it's more effective to simply cut the engines when you want to make a quick stop. Engaging the reverse while you're still moving will actually make you take longer to come to a stop.

This is a more accurate way to report what I initially meant in the first post. Is this due to a quirk in the engine code itself, or an intented effect of the mechanics? This is in no way a derogatory statement on the Starscape engine, but rather a test of the mechanics physics that could perhaps help down the line if such quirks reappear in other projects.

[Poo Bear]

Oh I see what you mean now, thought you were talking about something else, if you let go of the controls the engine goes into a braking mode on full power. When you fire the reversing jets they are at a lower power so as to be useful/controllable in navigation.

This setup provides a better player experience, this is why if the engine is too small you do end up drifting about a lot more as it isn't able to brake you as effectively.

Alternatives where:
a) zero power drift slowed under friction - the inability to stop reasonably quickly means this option isn't suitable

b) higher power reversing thrusters - possible, but the current setting seemed most usable when reversing, firing and navigating asteroids i.e. gentle steering.

[Havoc]

Ah ha, I see what you mean. Letting the unassisted stop drift further would be detrimental to the playing experience and boosting the reverse thrusters too much would give too high a speed when going backwards.

Would it be possible within the engine physics to give the reverse thrusters a bigger boost when they're used to decelerate instead of accelerate? Or would the implications of making this work in all 360 degrees (with all the various thrust forces that can occur from different directions) make the fine-tuning too demanding for such a small correction?

[Zero G]

I liked the demo a lot except for one thing. This automatic deceleration is intolerable. Is there any way to assign it to a button? This "feature" is most annoying when flying around mining. It gets old holding down the thruster the whole time you're moving. I can see holding it down after a double tap for the afterburner effect, but it's really annoying that you can't coast.

This makes all the difference to me whether the ship is fun to fly or a chore and consequently is also the deciding point on whether I will buy this game or not. Is there any way to turn this assist off and have it activated by a button instead? Or assign a button/key as a toggle for assist on/off?

[Zero G]

I played through the demo again and maybe I can get used to it, but the flight model from Subspace is definitely a lot more fun. Subspace doesn't have a game like this built around the flight model though.

I didn't see any ini files. I did notice my preferences are stored in Starscape.cfg. Are there any lines that can be added to change the auto-decel feature?

[Japlish]

[Weeble]

I can't imagine how much harder things would be without automatic deceleration, and even switchable, I'm sure I'd have to keep it on all the time otherwise I'd go hurtling headlong into masses of enemies all the time.

As for mining, I'd suggest that you want to be using the afterburner any time you're travelling between rocks, so I'm confused as to when you would want to be coasting. If you're finding mining a chore, bear in mind that it's easiest to fire the gravity beam before you even start blasting the rocks. As well as holding the rocks still, it'll mean the resources won't get so scattered and will survive bumps better.

[Zero G]

[Goober]

[Zero G]

I went ahead and bought the online activation method. Very cool game! The lack of free flight is a little less noticeable in the Devastator; it seems to slide a bit more.

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